So youre a pipeline and a good one. And unfortunately they came one, twoThey came so quickly. Well, I dont know, maybe you should have credit for being very prescient. So not a full-court press. I consulted with Biden some, mostly through Ron Klain on the question of making sure that they allowed Anita Hill to speak so that they could ventilate the doubts that were emerging about Thomas history at a personal level. Or are there any qualities that he would view in a nominee that are disqualifying? Add a Memory Send a note, share a He was a charismatic and compelling character. Show your support Send a Gift Send a gift to a service or familys home. I was publicly targeted much more than they were. Carolyn Louise Andrew Cotner, 83, of Siler City, passed away Friday, March 31, 2023. There were several that I was at. Maybe its easier to vote against somebody when you know youre going to be one in a handful of votes and youre just being a purist. Right. I was regarded somehow as second only to Kennedy because of his dramatic statement about Robert Borks America, as the engineer of the opposition, probably wrongly. It had nothing to do with Chappaquiddick, but there was some embarrassment about his personal life that made it hard for him to press Roberts and Alito as well as he might have hoped. Its hard to imagine. Receive a notification when services are updated. May you rest in God's peace. I was definitely not a fan of Jimmy Carter, never have been, and when Teddy didnt manage to wrest the nomination from Carter, I was deeply disappointed and disillusioned. Also, the NAACP [National Association for the Advancement of Colored People] did not oppose him at the outset, and that made a huge difference. Right. And reproductive rights as well. The questioning process was not one where you could see his mind at work, particularly. Right. What was it about Obama that made you feel that this was the direction the country needed to go in? He has a fairly clear sense of the importance of certain core constitutional values about free speech and equality, but they dont translate into detailed doctrinal tests and all this stuff about whether you use strict scrutiny or some other kind of scrutiny for something. Youve really socked it to him, and Boy, I wish you had thought of a more nuanced way to say it, because people are going to rip this apart and claim that you are demonizing Bork and are simplifying the issues. It was always impressive to me how seriously he took things, how much staff work there was. Have you seen an evolution in him, in these core values? The original nomination was somewhat a stealth nomination. Im afraid that that will happen sooner rather than later. Ive had a lot of really impressive research assistants and hes one of the eight or nine best in 40 years probably. When it comes to nominations like to the Supreme CourtWell, lets get something else out of the way first. Well, it was very interesting because when they really parsed his record, there were some issues that were of concern. I came in, and they ushered him in. Hes a piece of work. I knew his record. Well, then comes David Souter. I thought that the question of the composition of the Court, who you were replacing, where the burden of proof should lie, would make one cautious. Beloved wife of Louis O. Freire, Jr. Loving mother of Judith Ann Buffone. Powell was replaced by Kennedy, and some years later in Lawrence v. Texas, Kennedy wrote the opinion overruling Bowers. The glib way of looking at Bork is to say that he had simply said too much before he ever got there, that he had too long a record and it was there for anybody to discover. When you get into a formal hearing with him where you are testifying, whats he like as a questioner, particularly in comparison to some of the other ones? You can search by first or last name, state and publication date. He has lived up to the hopes of at least some of the conservatives on issues of church and state, and a few others. The idea of a moderate Republican Party just evaporated. I really liked working with his staff, but he would often call himself just to ask for my view of something. There were lots of people watching. I had an inkling, to answer your earlier question, did I expect him to be quite what he was? And sometimes you end up with a good one and sometimes you dont. Or, We have three people that the Senator might want to hire. There were several things of that sort that I did advise on. In any event, I told him I thought that the only way to oppose Bork was to be quite forthright about the way his values were not just far from the mainstream, but would generate a set of principles that would be dangerous to women and to minorities. Well, having watched many nominations since, it is a real standout for a remarkably blunt, uncensored, open exposition of what somebody really believes. Right. Many of my liberal friends were outraged. Id really like to know what you think about X or Y, and I would either tell him instantaneously or I would say, Let me give you a call back. There was some sense, in the recent hearingsIm trying to remember what exactly it was, some embarrassment. He would have been more like Kennedy than like Bork, I think. They were not, at the same time, going to be flame-throwers, either of them. He had a sense, a very good judgment of who was sufficiently articulate and powerful intellectually. Well, with Bork then, do you think that the process got shifted somewhat? She was an amazing, compassionate, loving and kind hearted teacher who has had a positive impact on countless lives. Thats unusual, too, because normally people come to him through. As I continue to pray, I will see you in heaven Carolyn. OK fine, were exhausted, we cant keep doing this. Her second marriage was to DeForest Kelley on September 7, 1945. Do you have anybody youd recommend? Do you think it was your testimony, which was obviously very public, or was it your role leading up to the testimony? But it was such an important moment. May the Angels welcome you at Heavens' door. You would really have rather been on the Earl Warren Court. I dont think it was so much abortion. That would be really helpful if you could put that in writing. We hadnt seen it before. Why dont we start at the beginning? From everything that we know, it was Caroline. Even seeing him as a friend, I still regarded him as an enormous hero. Hes very good at capturing in a simple and often simplistic phrase exactly what needs to be said to galvanize the right. Patti Saris was one of them. Politically, when you start counting the votes, yes, theres going to be a retreat, but its been surprisingly a retreat farther than I might have expected, when Kennedy got confirmed. Im going to dismantle Earl Warren, and the country said no. The intensive contact in those dinners really came in connection with the [Robert] Bork nomination. Text size. He was not very telegenic, and his demeanor or whatever it was that students found endearing or fascinating came across as not avuncular but highly stilted. They basically spent their first year of I might have forgotten about it. It would be useful to have a short memo about that, or a letter. I thought he was extraordinarily brilliant, inspiring, calm, capable of guiding a very endangered vessel through a storm. Steve is fine, and on issues of race hes very good, but he often has a very hard time coming to progressive conclusions, and when he does theyre not always very powerfully articulated. And it would have been both of them. He came across as being either uncaring or unaware of what the effects would be. And yet what seemed to have gotten overlooked. In his hearings, he was his own worst enemy. It was much more concrete, the things that were scary. Wow. I had known him since he was my student. When someone has to replace Stevens its going to be very difficult because even though Obama will find a progressive, its got to be somebodyNobody can do what Stevens has done. Teddy was not among those who used the interrogation process as a way of actually thinking through something. Right away I thought there must have been a way to say this that would not be so easy to caricature, because it sounded as though he was paintingI guess this is anachronistic because Star Wars hadnt come out yet, but it sounded as though he was painting Bork as a kind of Darth Vader character who is evil through and through, rather than that he had a judicial philosophy that would in fact lead to some terrible results. Carolyne entered this life on July 4, 1945 in Effingham, Illinois. People wouldnt have had occasion to think, Lets see, who was it that prepared Biden or Kennedy for their testimony? Show your support Send Flowers Send Does he really mean that the government can tell me everything about what to do in my bedroom? You say you were consulted before Kennedy gave his speech? Between them and Barack Obamas ascendancy, Barack being a friend and a former student, I really had no deep conviction about anyone in politics except for Teddy, and I really thought he was a great possibility. Im not recommending a vote one way or the other. Mobile number. Except, I didnt know that it would take him as long to become moderate-to-liberal as it did. The 21st? Maybe theres a distinct language in New Hampshire. But not having been present at most of those conversations, I really cant speak to that. He had already obviously heard a lot of things about Borks views of various things.

He did a number of things that Bork wouldnt have done. Carolyn Lugene Owens, 86, of Clinton, TN, passed away peacefully on March 30, 2023 surrounded by family. I think it ended them. For example, on some issue like gay rightsI imagine but I dont know for sure that he had a harder time with that earlier and probably is much more comfortable with it now, but I simply extrapolate that from what I know of his character. There were questions about whether it was a sound or a dangerous thing to amend the Constitution to provide leeway for certain things that various groups wanted, whether it was prayer in school or the power to ban flag burnings, things like that. RIP, Miss Kreye was my teacher at St. John's the Evangelist in Brooklyn, NY. No, I actually didnt. How did you see Bidens role as different from Kennedys in this process, on Bork? CANDLE HAS BEEN LIT CANDLES HAVE BEEN LIT, We are reviewing your submission. There are things he cared about that he just never dropped: civil rights, civil liberties, human dignity, healthcare, certain ideas of equality. I was going to say, did he consult you on flag burning? You are so greatly missed, I'm forever heartbroken. When he would question me, it would always be the rehearsed question. He came in like a Granite State nominee; it took him a while to warm up. 2023 SCI SHARED RESOURCES, LLC. There are people who have natural gifts in terms of analytical skills, who are intellectually lazy, or who dont focus their energies around really important issues and who take advantage of the fact that they are very quick and get the structural problem instantaneously. Which in retrospect is just very surprising. Obituary. The other ones would probably be: If you think that the Constitution is absolutely colorblind and that we cant pay attention to race in order to cure the problems of racism, then youre just on a different planet and you dont belong on the Court. But he is so serious and so dedicated. The way to end discrimination is to end discrimination, basically somewhat mindless slogans that actually capture a sense of. But it took a while for him to get there. scaring the country about his own views.

What he was seeing was something visionary, that he had a capacity to lead, to inspire, to transform things. People really thought, No right of privacy, what does that mean? Send a note, share a story or upload a photo. They did, but I dont think any of them were painted with the same brush.

Its hard to imagine what it would have been like without him because, criticize as one might, the precise rhetoric, if you extract Kennedys passion and his voice from all of that, you can see that it might have gone differently. And yes, I know Im going to be rolled on this one. Part of what I did, for example, occasionally would have to do with healthcare. I got right to the point. If I were to be fully consistent with what I wrote in that little book, I might have voted the way Kennedy would have. It wouldnt have happened otherwise. Did you also get consulted on lower court nominations? It was kind of a symbiotic process too, in which they knew that they had a champion in him that made it sensible for them to put all kinds of energy and money into the process. I cant remember, honestly, whether it was a day before or immediately after, whether I heard his speech and then he asked me whether I had similar reservations. A few times, but I dont remember particular ones. That was one of them. Setting aside whatever ego involvement I might have, I do think it would be better if there were a Court with strong liberals and strong conservatives that would really argue with each other, rather than a Court that has a couple of dramatic conservatives who sneaked on for extraneous reasons: Scalia because the focus was on Rehnquist; and [Clarence] Thomas because race threw a wildcard into it; and no real liberals. From the very beginning, I was struck by what a complicated role he played in that family. Very blank slate, ostensibly a blank slate by comparison with what they had seen before. He has a distinct language. I had the sense that this was a guy I would love to get to know. I will never forget my grammar school years, and you were part of it!! I think that the Bork confirmation process over the years has generated a world in which you get People like Scalia, for example, could never get on the Court now. Then comes Kennedy. Dearing- Carolyn Key, 81, passed away on February 20, 2022, at her home in Dearing, Georgia, after a brief illness with cancer. Yes, sooner rather than later. They were worlds apart. The Republicans had moved steadily to the right. Your handprint's on my heart, best friend. Both John [F. Kennedy, Jr.] and Caroline [Kennedy Schlossberg] were there, and a priest and I. Thank you! I made less difference than people assumed, but it was just convenient to have someone to demonize and I was it. When, for example, Bork talked about wanting to be a Justice because it was an intellectual feastthat was one of the lines that grated with Kennedy the most. Actually, I met with him a number of times to go over some of the questions that should be asked of Bork. Then he said, and this was an interesting comment, That means turning the page on people like you and me. I think its almost the other way around. With Kennedy taking a backseat in the judicial confirmation hearings and focusing entirely on Labor and Human Services, it justThe recent hearings have been quite terrible, and theyve been terrible partly because Kennedy has not played much of a role. ~Annie. Born on April 13, 1936 in It fit his idea that when a President selects somebody in order to move the Court and the Constitution in a direction that a particular Senator conscientiously thinks is wrong, the Senator shouldnt hesitate to oppose on that ground. I guess I thought I had paid enough of a price, and it didnt matter; I wouldnt be able to stop him anyway. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Contributed by Dogshe, Feb 2021: Her middle name was Charlotte and maiden name was Meagher. That kind of commitment over that long a career, in a way that built coalitions and actually got stuff done, deserves a lot of respect. There was a guy named Gordon Schaber, who was Dean of the Law School at McGeorge, who was a good friend of Barbara OConnor, who is a good friend of mine and at that time was a friend of Bob Shrums. WebCarolyn V Kreye, 76 Resides in Hudson, FL Lived In Brooklyn NY, Jackson NJ Related To William Kreye, Veronica Kreye, Robert Kreye Includes Address (3) Phone (3) Email (5) See Results Caroline L Kreye Resides in Wabasha, MN Related To Mary Kreye, John Kreye, Jacalyn Kreye, Leona Kreye Includes Address (2) See Results Karolyn M Kreye I recall that was one of the last things that he left the committee with too. On top of that, he asked me to come into his office in Boston, where we went through rehearsed questions, and so on. He called me from time to time and asked for advice. I wasnt as good a vote-counter, I guess. Ive been in the process of talking with him. Was it usually Kennedy, or was it usually staff that first approached you? There was a whole symposium dedicated to trashing my philosophy, published in something called Benchmark; twelve or fifteen articles taking apart some of my views. And Kennedy took much more of a hostile approach. He didnt last long enough. Brennan was chosen because he was a Catholic from the Northeast, not because Eisenhower had any illusions about his judicial philosophy. I think he asked me, Well, what about all this stuff about how Presidents are surprised that Justices change? I say always for it, but I dont know how he felt in 73. There seemed to be this scary dude with a funny beard who said, I think your rights are an inkblot. So I cant take the slightest bit of credit for it, but I can say that I was ready to try. Let me try to remember what happened originally. You know, in hindsight, Rehnquist wasnt all that horrible. He was terrible. But when Presidents have in fact carefully selected someone to carry out their vision of the Constitution, its usually worked about the way the President expected. Stevens has been just astonishing in recent years, pulling together.

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